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Hbcu, proudly. >> what are your plans that you can share with us? >> my plan is to speak to the issues that wake people up in the middle of the night, to speak to the priorities that people face every day, and to speak to those issues in a way that understands they should be the priorities, that there should be solutions offered to them. but also, rev, to speak to the fact that in spite of the current occupant of the white house being someone who has spent a majority of his time trying to sow hate and division within our country, that the reality is that we all have so much more in common than...

Tier of presidential candidates though after a lauded performance in the first democratic debate in june, she struggled to gain ground in the polls. the latest real clear politics polling average shows the california senator at 6.8%, more than 20 points behind the front-runner, joe biden. this week i sat down with senator harris for a wide-ranging interview. but i began by asking her about this week's democratic debate right here in houston. this coming thursday is the debate. >> uh-huh. >> in houston. i know all of the candidates, and i certainly know you are always thorough. you'll be prepar...

Do you think? what needs to be done to reverse that trend? >> i think the hbcus need to work harder to say the things that i'm saying right now, to put that message out in the world. i think there's an idea, including some black people who o college, we don't necessarily need those because we can go to any school we want to, but that doesn't mean you're going to get the same level of education or the same level of respect. so you can let them know that there are hbcus out there that are different than pwis. >> you're pretty open in the episode about when you were preparing to college that you ...

Educate themselves and could not go to predominantly white institutions. >> now people question the need for hbcus today, why do you think they still have an important and significant role to play in the 21st century? >> all you have to do is pay attention to the news that's going around recently, whether it's the black woman at yale who had the cops called on her for sleeping in a common area at yale, or the men at starbucks that had the cops called on them for loitering. at hbcu, you're not going to get the cops called on you if you're sleeping in a common area, or if you're lo ee're loiteri...

Themselves at an all black women's school. >> so you feel like it's a safer place for them to be? and what's interesting in some of the stories you're doing on some of the campuses you visited, there's pushes being made to be more inclusive, especially for lgbt students. >> there's a narrative that we're somehow more homophobic than other communities and it's also important to show that it's not true, like at spellman, they have a student who's there to represent the voice of the lgbt students that we talked to in this episode. hbcu's are not only the safe places, they turn out more black prof...