Scenes, a matter of time before one of these members who is up front calls out the fact of the people -- >> you're right. a very important dynamic and these donors calling up mike pence as gabby orr saying atta boy, mike, but they won't do it themselves. the fact it's news, that it's significant, that mike pence states a fact. he stated a fact. mike pence did not create policy. he stated a fact, i do not have the authority. what trump was asking me to do was outside of the bounds. it was un-american. just that that is news tells you about the intimidation factor within the party. >> absolutely...