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And you know, the president has purposefully set the goals that he set with respect to transition because he wants to underscore to the afghans themselves, and to the pakistanis, that they need to begin to make this their battle. and the only way to get them to do that is for them not to believe you're there forever. it's a delicate balance, obviously. but don't need 150,000 troops on the ground at a million dollars a troop, or whatever it is, in order to be able to achieve the goals that we have. >> but you think that come next july, when the deadline is on us for the beginning of the drawdow...

Happening today is very different, and i think that the american public can trust their leaders because they obviously know what is happening on the ground. >> so the acid test as to whether pakistan and the pakistani military has changed is whether it will go after the taliban or whether it will go after terrorists in pakistan but not those who attack pakistanis. there you obviously have an overwhelming self-interest. these are forces that are trying to overturn -- overthrow your country, your government. but will they go after those other terrorists? in other words, not will they take the ba...

Civilian government is weak. now, i understand that there will be misgivings based on the past. but the u.s. leadership, and you will notice that president obama has weighed in, admiral mullen has weighed in, we have heard from national security adviser jim jones, they've all made it very clear that what is happening today is very different, and i think that the american public can trust their leaders because they obviously know what is happening on the ground. >> so the acid test as to whether pakistan and the pakistani military has changed is whether it will go after the taliban or whether i...

Sense of how difficult this is, and you know, the president has purposefully set the goals that he set with respect to transition because he wants to underscore to the afghans themselves, and to the pakistanis, that they need to begin to make this their battle. and the only way to get them to do that is for them not to believe you're there forever. it's a delicate balance, obviously. but don't need 150,000 troops on the ground at a million dollars a frotroop, or whatever it is, order to be able to achieve the goals that we have. >> but you think that come next july, when the deadline is on us ...