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Very happy because it means a lot to us in the industry. and people indirectly to the industry it means a lot also. >> well, like your towns and like mill towns, one of the things about steel is it's like auto working, right? they create towns around it. so -- >> exactly. >> the pizza maker, the school, the car dealer, it all exists around an industry. but you've been in it for a long time. your dad was a steel worker, too? >> oh, yeah, my dad -- he was a steel worker like i said, back in the '80s. when you were in school, you went to college or you went to work in the mill. >> let me ask you ...

Here. we're in brain economy, not so much a muscle economy. >> poppy joins me now. you and i have spent a lot of time in detroit and watched the erosion of jobs there. this is fantastic. we constantly talk about engineering being your ticket anywhere you are in the country. what a great deal. they earn good money in a place that costs little to live in. how does this help everybody else who's been laid off, those auto workers and industries were connected to auto working. >> that's the key. if you're an autoworker and you've been out of work for a few years in detroit and don't have the tech s...

>> we have over 50 tlts in unfunded liabilities, medicare, medicaid, all unsustainable. i think we need to do something in connection with the decision to raise the debt ceiling. it deals with the debt. both medium and short-term, medium term and long-term. that what it would take to get my vote. >> a cnn contributor, secretary geithner said not raising the debt ceiling would be catastrophic for the economy. now, he concedes no one knows for certain what could happen in the event that it's not raised. are republicans willing to risk sending this fragile recovery that we're in into ch...