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Place that stops them from getting them. >> okay. so the background checks you say are doable. what about the magazines? >> i think that's doable as well. it's harder because people don't like bans in this country. but the truth is the thing that makes mass shootings mass shootings is somebody can fire as fast as they can pull the trigger, and they don't have to reload. >> phil gingrey in the news today is willing to listen to a high capacity magazine ban. is this an opening? >> oh, sure. and we meet with senators and members of congress every day. >> what do they say to you? >> what they say ...

Is playing fast and loose with the truth. but you know most people in america don't have the kind of refined political sensibilities that allowed them to interpret facts for themselves. they are just led on by the images. and the very thing that hitler was brilliant at, that is manipulating imagery to drum up and gin up the emotions of people is what they're doing. they're talking against hitler, and yet they're using some of his same tactics. >> a former president of the nra says tougher laws discriminate against certain guns. here it is. >> banning people and things because of the way they l...

Checks. so the infrastructure is in place there? >> the infrastructure is in place. 74% of nra members think giving everybody a check is a good idea because most nra members are law abiding citizens. they take background checks and pass them. it saves a lot of lives. why wouldn't everyone else have to take one as well. >> you heard mr. keene talk about they belong strongly in the second amendment there are enough americans out there that believe strongly in the second amendment. >> no, i think they're right. turkey, the point where they don't want to make any changes is what i mean. >> no, not...

For instance, even nra members overwhelmingly support changes to background check laws. 74% want everyone purchasing a gun permit to undergo a background check with no loopholes. this is from republican pollster frank luntz, and was taken long before the shootings in newtown, connecticut. plenty of gun owners are on board with changing the status quo. right now there are basically three major firewalls to sensible and safety laws in this country being changed. if you want to ban assault weapons in this country, i think first you have to deal with the gun nuts. and we're going to have a special...

Are you winning this war? and it is a war in a sense, a war of opinions, to win over the hearts and minds of people that this is a time in american history that we need to move on the second amendment, and it has to be i guess you could say upgraded. >> well, i loved watching the nra brag that they brought in 100,000 new members since the newtown shooting, because we brought in more than 400,000 new members since the newtown shooting. and these are people who are representative of the country. and of the average nra member. this is not their problem. there has been a broad and durable consensu...