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get some degree sympathy. that is exactly not what's going to happen. i also can't believe that he even was granted permission to have this interview. i mean, at the end of the day, he's a soldier and the chain of command has to approve whether he can have a media interview. i find the whole thing kind of az town. >> i find it alarming and fascinating and just altogether completely remarkable. >> truly fascinating, yes, ma'am. >> we are in a process right now. this could be really dangerous. spider, i always love having you on. thank you so much. general mark, great to have you. i also want to encourage our viewers after you've heard what spider has to say, go and listen to the full podcast from serial online. serial. it is -- this is great work, folks. they're award winning producerings. and they've done some amazing work here. i've got some new testimony for you in the trial of the police officer charged in the death of freddie gray. believe it or not, another police officer is in the

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