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Finds that they are unfairly treated, then we will harden them, or at least let them out. >> laura: so my question is, how many of the nfl players have taken him up on that offer? reached out to the president? welcome and may be some have used back channels, i don't know. but did not do so confirms a suspicion that the anthem protests are more about ideology than equality. and that would be a real shame. and that's the "angle." joining us now with the reaction is the president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives, along with retired nfl star burgess owens. great to ...

And my committee finds they are unfairly treated, then we will pardon them or at least let them out. >> laura: my question is how many n.f.l. players have taken him up on that offer? reached out to the president? well, maybe some have used back channels, i don't know, to not do so confirm the suspicion the anthem protest is more about ideology than -- and that's the angle. joining us with reaction is vera, president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives, along with retired n.f.l. star burgess owens, great to see both of you. vera, right to you for your reaction to th...

Is hoping to have a jury seated as soon any minute. he said as soon s1 o'clock, just a few minutes ago, most of the morning so far has taken up just interviewing a potential pool o, and part of that process is reading through a list of 35 government witnesses that would testify against manafort, and asking the jurors if they know any of the witnesses, the former bernie sanders strategist paul divine, but nobody says that they had a conflict, so we could get an opening argument in a trial that does not have anything to do a secret back channels to moscow and more with the secret bank accounts c...

This. but it wouldn't surprise me at all if rudolph giuliani learned from manafort's lawyers a little bit about what rick gates is going to say about collusion. and they're now trying to get out in front of this by not denying there is collusion but by saying it is not a crime. >> that is a fascinating theory that would explain the chain of potential information. given what he is charged with, why would the trump tower meeting come up at all? >> it will likely not come up at the trial. because of the federal statutes that require the government to disclose all of his prior statements, they can...

That's coming but in potential back channels, giuliani could learn, and he was not able to speak to rick gates. when he says, i've spoken to everybody at those meetings, it is not true that giuliani at least has spoken to rick gates, since gates cooperated. >> and you're referring to how, well, let's talk about a pre meeting which could make them look bad if they were all geared up and prepping for getting bad stuff on clinton and the russians. what is he doing? >> covering his tracks. i think he spoke too much. i think he realized this is first time anyone had heard of this pre meeting and ev...