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So, this last much longer. in the meantime, you are right. steve bannon can say, and do, as he pleases, knowing it can impact him later at trial. knowing the consequences themselves are so steep, he may not risk a fine of $100,000, or jail time. >> let's talk about civil cases, chuck. a federal judge, in a civil case today, wrote that trump and his lawyer, john eastman, quote and to overturn a democratic election and inaction unprecedented in american history. it was a coup, in search of a legal theory. that was a federal judge, suggesting that trump committed a crime. people, obviously, are g...

Up there in the north and northeast today. >> do you think, general they're going to try to split the country like northern south korea? >> the could be the case. if you take a look at as we sit here today, he has already announced these two regions, then if you move over westward, you have the donbas area. now he's trying to take mariupol, and he's pushing that pretty hard. the problem is, because we have so many troops protecting kyiv, ukrainians have small forces down there in mariupol. if he takes mariupol, you can look for him to take odessa, and you would have the antar seaboard area, le...

Ukraine and forces have shown that they could go toe to toe and do better than russian forces. the president still in power. and the people of ukraine, they've shown resilience and determination even under the bombs and missiles attacking this country. i think we'll continue to happiness russia will continue to try to press ukraine. we saw that today. it was obvious that they were trying to find a weak point in the defense of kyiv and the ukrainian forces did a great job today repel in that particular tacked that they had up there in the north and northeast today. >> do you think, general they...

Has already been referred. by the way, one additional point, stephanie. the justice department does not need referrals in order to prosecute someone. sometimes, i worry that it will have a counterproductive effect, meaning, is the department of justice, watching this play it down the middle, gets a referral from a committee. and then, from a mostly partisan vote in the full house, to prosecute someone, it may have the opposite effect. it may be the kind of case you don't want to prosecute, because, it originated in a partisan referral. >> before we go, katie, jared kushner, going to testify to...

And, i don't believe, you will see additional, criminal contempt prosecutions. at least, not of the two that are now being recommended. and mr. meadows case, that it has already been referred. by the way, one additional point, stephanie. the justice department does not need referrals in order to prosecute someone. sometimes, i worry that it will have a counterproductive effect, meaning, is the department of justice, watching this play it down the middle, gets a referral from a committee. and then, from a mostly partisan vote in the full house, to prosecute someone, it may have the opposite eff...