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Importance of this issue because he was worried about the future he was leaving for his grandchildren. that wasn't just because he fundamentally believes he wants to have clean drinking water and air, of course that, but he was concerned about the national security implications, things like famine and impacts of climate change and what this would do to local economies in the united states. >> president trump said, we're pulling out of this accord but we're going to go back and try to renegotiate something. it made it sound like that might be a very easy thing. this negotiation took a long time...

And the pope talks to him on climate change who is he catering to? why is steve bannon winning this debate against so much counter vailing evidence as wells much popular opinion. >> to put some meat on the bones of what john is saying put up the graphic who within the administration that's close to the president. you have his daughter. take that for what it's worth. he listen to his kids. rex tillerson, secretary of state. remember he was the head of exxon. there are two different points of emphasis. rick perry, the energy secretary all saying you should stay in. mitt romney, china and you hav...

>> it certainly is a base play, but it's a play for independents and swing voters, too. many of whom are folks that are living on the bubble of this economy, and are exposed to either obamacare not working, because there's only one insurer in the state, or very expensive premiums, premiums that are much higher than they were two or three years ago. >> it guess to the whole -- this is where i always thought it was a disaster for -- premiums always go up. now it's always the government -- now the government owns premiums -- >> but they haven't been going up that high. >> but the cost curve has a...

This. and it shows up in the polling, it's been showing up in the polling long before these premium hikes were announced. >> well, i don't -- i don't know if people are -- i don't know if i would use the word "livid." >> they're livid when their hikes go up. >> everyone wants to be a pollster now because it's glamorous and we're sexy. >> you want to win a sexiest pollster contest? you, fred yank, bill mcinturff. >> that's hot! >> we don't want that contest. no offense. >> but, look, i think it's smart for them on the obamacare stuff, because it does sort of gin up their base. i don't know how ...

And going back to message and the debate and which way this will go. this is the final opportunity for these two to face off against each other, conceivably for hillary clinton, she could go and talk to the base, her core supporters and try to bring in some moderate republicans. it seems donald trump will simply be now facing rallies of his supporters. his opening to bring in new people to the party, new people to what he calls is movement. that has come and gone. >> maybe he changes his approach, although, again, like you, i doubt that. and that really has been, when you boil down donald trum...