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Pull up clinton's, pennsylvania 54%. both of them are leading the polls, maggie. it defies logic in my brain. >> it is unusual except if you look at what happened in the midterms last year. you had a lot of candidates in senate races and gubernatorial races where they had higher unfavorable ratings than they had approval ratings. i think the toxicity in terms of the conversation, in terms of politics right now is very high. and it is sort of bringing down all boats for lack of a better way of putting it. in terms of clinton and trump, those are the two people who get the most media coverage. >...

To see the ben carsons, the carly fiorinas and the donald trumps getting much of the republican base support. it will be interesting to see how they do and handle policy on the debate stage on wednesday night. >> tremendous reporting as always, thank you both for being with me. up next, details in the tug-of-war between federal agents and local law enforcement dealing with undocumented immigrants with serious criminal records. there's no one road out there.

Looks like it will probably be favorable to same-sex marriage. she's trying to clarify this when she's clearly trying to drum up as much base support as she can. she's got to make clear on this number one social issue. she's clearly trying to make a play for elizabeth warren democrats as well. this is all part of that. and, look public opinion has shifted. it shifted since she took positions in '08. >> the current president of the united states has changed his position. i think millions of americans have probably changed their positions on this as they watch this and talk to their kids about t...

The dean op-ed, which we have not fully been aware of except entirely. but the thing that jumped out at me, he said base support wins elections unless you drive it out of the mainstream. so, yes, the republicans have an activated fringe which is driving their agenda off a cliff but the democrats don't have that. we don't have a left that is driving us outside or driving dems outside of the mainstream and making it hard to get elections. so i'm not quite sure if there's a parallel with what they're calling the sort of new nihilism on the right. the one thing that i think cantor suffered from th...

Donors will look at courtesy and second guess their decision, maybe get a little skittish about endorsing someone this early or backing someone to the hilt. >> i actually read this in the "federalist" which you published, the money primary is really important. as sam wases saying, in the same way his base has been kind of the beltway media and his base in the republican party has really been kind of like hedge fund guys in new york. right? right, ben? that's where a lot of these, quote, base support is. >> exactly. that's -- i think it's actually just going to lead us to a situation where 2016...