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That's why the influenza viruses often arise out of china as well. we've got to figure this out. >> is there any way to scientifically prove that this occurred naturally without going to china? it seems like it hasn't been replicated yet with bats. explain that. >> well, i think that's exactly what we need to do. we need to -- that's why i'm talking about full access. i think really a detailed analysis of bat populations, all of the possible reservoir animals and people, and without that, it's going to be really hard to sort this out. it could be that some of the chinese scientists are already...

Often arise out of china as well. we've got to figure this out. >> is there any way to scientifically prove that this occurred naturally without going to china? it seems like it hasn't been replicated yet with bats. explain that. >> well, i think that's exactly what we need to do. we need to -- that's why i'm talking about full access. i think really a detailed analysis of bat populations, all of the possible reservoir animals and people, and without that, it's going to be really hard to sort this out. it could be that some of the chinese scientists are already doing this. i haven't seen a lot...

I think from ebola, when you put all the data together, transmission, rules or cycle, it's clear. so definitely, it's from bats. and then you have intermediate host. it could be some mammals, either -- and then i could also be directed from bats to humans. you can see. ebola, sars and mers are all from bats, so they're a very serious problem. >> if we look around the world, you can see that bat populations are being severely stressed by climate change. some of them because they live in the upper tiers of rainforests and feed on wild fruit, but the upper tiers of