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Think he has an outsider zany appeal. he ran up the rocky steps last night during a rally in philadelphia. he's having fun. don't underestimate him. joe biden, b minus. he is still holding steady. so i don't think you can downgrade him all that much, but i do think there are warning signs. you're starting to see. cory booker, julian castro, tim ryan starting to raise questions about his competence. that will be an issue. next, bernie sanders, "c." status quo. 14%. right where he was in the poll nbc conducted earlier. he has to find a way to build his coalition larger. also they got rid of thei...

Race. he joins bill weld in it. i give him a b-minus and i'll tell you why. i think his approach has been strategically smart. get on as many cable tv shows as you can and talk as much as you can about your willingness to get in donald trump's face. trump responded last night. you know, he basically called his opponents the three stooges. why doesn't he get a higher grade? because he's just not going to win. this campaign is about annoying trump and offering an alternative message to trump. it's not about winning. >> but the fact he got trump to respond overnight is a big deal. there are peopl...

Of newark. his best argument was voter suppression. we haven't heard that very much in these debates. while he had some good and some bad, he thought the main difficulty attacking joe biden, i think he thought it would be a good thing for him. one thing you must remember is always, you should attack someone else, but you have to leave the audience with remembering why it is i want to vote for you. >> what's his grade? did you give him one? >> yes, b minus. >> how about julian castro? >> he got a c. i grouped him in with several, including tulsi gabbard. >> michael bennet, not exactly a househo...

Things that happened 20, 30, 40 years ago. and i believe and i have said this before that joe has a lot of what trump had. the teflon thing. trump's -- the republicans wanted trump so bad at one point. they saw him as a winner. they were willing to let a lot slide and you're seeing that even after the horrific debate performance the first time around. it has slid off him, because what matters to people is perception. can you beat trump? i think in a strange way, biden is going to bounce back. like obama after the first really bad debate. and all he's got to do is not trip over himself. he just...

But he's still a great player. yes, i had some problems with it. but it's still a great series. >> give it a grade. >> a. i'm giving an a. >> last night i thought it was kind of a b-minus. as it's played in my head i've upgraded more to a b-plus because i think it worked for what they wanted to do. >> why the disappointment? by the way, this is the only conversation being held in america all day long and we're talking to tv experts here. >> i think many of the episodes were 8 episodes. it had to do so much. it had to tie up things. it had to do some linear steps and go from a to b to c. where ...