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Things that happened 20, 30, 40 years ago. and i believe and i have said this before that joe has a lot of what trump had. the teflon thing. trump's -- the republicans wanted trump so bad at one point. they saw him as a winner. they were willing to let a lot slide and you're seeing that even after the horrific debate performance the first time around. it has slid off him, because what matters to people is perception. can you beat trump? i think in a strange way, biden is going to bounce back. like obama after the first really bad debate. and all he's got to do is not trip over himself. he just...

Best thing that could have happened to you tonight because it will hopefully focus people in his party, from his perspective, that we need something different than this man. we need somebody who is different on those levels than he is, biden is that. >> i mean, maybe i've lived in d.c. too long, but i think i'm too cynical to believe that people might even remember it next week. >> that the president did it? >> yeah. >> well, he's got a teflon thing, but it's will democrats remember. >> that's what i'm saying. even with democrats, i think -- i don't -- there is a reason donald trump was hardly...

Of it. >> it was completely inappropriate, and by the way, joe wilson apologized, he did. now, you can say the apology wasn't sincere, that he was just forced to do it. the point about this is that any disrespect for the president of the united states, whether that president is named bush or obama, any disrespect for the secretary of state -- you may remember condoleezza rice has been booed in public when she has spoken. to jump to the conclusion it's always racist if you attack someone who is of color, it seems to me, is an area we don't have to go. >> kelly, you don't buy that? >> you know, ...

Doors. i didn't see any of them parading in front of the cameras disavowing what joe wilson said. >> they did -- >> in fact, they fund-raised off of it. >> it was completely inappropriate, and by the way, joe wilson apologized, he did. now, you can say the apology wasn't sincere, that he was just forced to do it. the point about this is that any disrespect for the president of the united states, whether that president is named bush or obama, any disrespect for the secretary of state -- you may remember condoleezza rice has been booed in public when she has spoken. to jump to the conclusion it'...

Joe wilson apologized, he did. you could say it wasn't sincere, he was forced to to it. the point about this is that any disrespect for the president of the united states, whether that president is named bush or obama, any disrespect for the secretary of state, you may remember condoleezza rice has been booed in public when she has spoken. to jump to the conclusion it's always racist if you attack someone who is of color, it seems to me, is an area we don't have to go. >> you don't buy that? >> you know, i don't. and i have written about this. we have officially become -- i'm going to have to ...