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Two great minds, good and bad, whatever you want to call them, it worked. i tried to get him to talk about it. he said, santorum doesn't get a piece of that. he's only my junior partner. >> he didn't quite say that. he said santorum wasn't important in passing health care reform. it's true. he was a freshman senator and newt gingrich was the speaker of the house. i don't think anyone would say that just the fact that santorum was in the senate makes him senior to gingrich. it's a fair comment, also a little bit of a ding, a little bit of a shot, but it's based in reality. he gave santorum a li...

You have to check him, don't you? >> i was speaker -- >> how are you going to be the alternative to romney unless you check him out of the fight? >> i think it will happen by attrition. i think people are going to look and make a judgment over the next few months. maybe i won't be the judgment. my hunch is i will be. we have a national campaign, we're organized to compete in a lot more places. i wasn't trying to knock rick, he's a good guy. i was the speaker of the house. >> i know. >> he was a senator who wasn't in leadership at that point. he did very significant things. he was the key to pa...

>> and if you throw in perry, they're ahead. more of the interview with gingrich. here he is, let's listen to his somewhat optimistic view of things. let's listen to newt. jimmy carter's another one where he ran against four liberals back in 1976 and won the nomination, but was never really the hero of the party. same thing. and romney, look, he's running against a number of conservatives, yourself, santorum, rick perry, different kind of conservatives. he's splitting the conservative vote. 75% of your party and all the polling says they want a conservative, not mitt romney. but you're dividin...

>> but he had the final twist on that. he said he was a social studies teacher at a jesuit high school. >> by the way, i don't have -- in college they like to argue. let me ask you about this whole question. i went out to the gingrich event last night before i got the interview with him late last night. you can't pick your audience. the first person up wanted to talk about m.i.a./p.o.w.s, and the woman said, don't give me that, i'm going to look it up and look into it. the next person said, everybody here going's to be dead in ten years, let's talk about the younger crowd. they want real answe...

Alternative to romney unless you check him out of the fight? >> i think it will happen by attrition. i think people are going to look and make a judgment over the next few months. maybe i won't be the judgment. my hunch is i will be. we have a national campaign, we're organized to compete in a lot more places. i wasn't trying to knock rick, he's a good guy. i was the speaker of the house. >> i know. >> he was a senator who wasn't in leadership at that point. he did very significant things. he was the key to passing welfare reform, i scheduled it three times. >> you got clinton re-elected. >> w...