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Their tear that down i don't know but she's appealing to people in the democratic party who have lost all sense of responsibility. in aoc's world the i.c.e. agents are the problem not the illegal immigrant reducing bed spaces makes no sense, if you believe violence is a problem coming across-the-boarder, and this idea that we don't need a wall because it's immoral, most americans are not going to go there. maria: what about the national emergency currently you've talked a lot about this that this is a national emergency. should the president take that route if they are actually digging in that...

>> i don't think we would ever give up with the president will have some options, perhaps will have some options but short of a deal, they're not good options. the next 24 hours a crucial, we can close some deals but they got to be good to secure our borders. >> the biggest sticking point appears to be money for a border wall verses the number of beds the government will fund to detain undocumented immigrants. >> i promise you this, donald trump, is not going to sign any bill that reduces the number of bed spaces available to hold violent offenders who come across our border. he can't do that ...

Would this still be owned by donald trump the way he said it at that meeting with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi a couple months ago saying, i will own this shutdown? >> the president appears to be the only man in washington who doesn't think he would get the blame for the next shutdown. which is kind of remarkable. he's a man with one political playbook. he runs it over and over again which is appeal to his base. double down on his positions. it worked in the primary, in the general election, worked to keep congressional republicans in line. he keeps going back to run the same play again, now...

With the regional fugitive task force in new york and new jersey. tommy, welcome. the government says 43%, i mean, that's almost like 50%, but the problem with that though is even if it's successful, they're kind of clogging the system. so what do we do with all the detainees, basically, that they're nabbing? >> well, when i retired, i was back at headquarters two years ago, and i can tell you we had on average 30, 35,000 bed spaces per day. if you increase 43% or 50%, whatever the amount, we need more beds. we're not going to release them like we did under the prior administration. i heard yo...

By your own free will, you are doing it. and i have no sympathy for these people on a mass level. one by one, no problem. not busting them all down. last word? >> i saw the same things that you see in new york city because i grew up there. i saw junkies on the subway. so i know what that is like. the important point though is not to be blinded by those images. we have to decide what is the best policy. if the best policy is to soften the laws so that you you open up bed spaces for people who do belong there, then that's a policy worth pursuing. >> well, i think the violent crime drop in this c...