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Process. we have to believe the evidence that is before our eyes not just trust them but at the last minute that is going to affect our political process and our democracy in the long term. >> laura: jc mcallister, thank you. coming up, could trump and colin kaepernick hold a summit? will be a beer summit, trump doesn't drink. kanye west think it is possible. next the closer you get to home, the more you know the commute is worth it. you and that john deere tractor, you can keep dreaming up projects all the way home. it's a longer drive, but just like a john deere, it's worth it.

I'm just listening to jeffrey talk about what's at the core of how the justice department works and the sensibility about not getting involved. do you guys remember back at the beginning of the obama administration when president obama weighed in on an arrest of skip gates, a harvard professor and police officer and they needed to have a beer summit at the white house because the president got involved in something that perhaps he should have stayed out of. >> outrage. >> it was like unbelievable. it was world coverage. and president trump constantly is inserting himself into what had been for...

Kate, you've been writing about the vice president in your beautiful book "first in line." why does he have to be such a sick cofant. >> i interviewed pence's brother greg. >> you couldn't get to pence, could you? >> no,cy interviewed every living former vice president. there's no point in tem talking honestly to a reporter because if he looks good, trump will be mad and if he looks bad, it's bad for them. he said his father reminds him of -- donald trump reminds him of his father, his father was a big bully who occasionally whipped his kids with a belt, really tough guy. that was surprising t...

African-americans during a rant this week. the trump and kanye bromance shows no signs of slowing down with kanye doubling down on his support and trump looking to host kanye at the white house, his own version of a beer summit, which trump and his adviser reportedly envision chance the rapper, colin kaepernick, and other celebrities who take part in a, quote, race summit. someone really wants to be around famous people like president obama was. daniel moody mills and sche scherrmichael singleton are joining me again. our kanyologist, toure, and leah wright, assistant professor of public polic...

The jeff flake debate. i don't see it as a racial thing. it is a fun thing and typical trump. as you say, we are talking on national tv about this family. and that's not a bad thing i think it's a good thing. >> so if barack obama had gotten into a spat with somebody and he said you know what, maybe i'll just leave your kid in iran if that's how you feel, would you have said it's playful or have you ever gone on a serious harang about demeaning the presidency. >> i don't think i was on the tv at the time. but when the president sided with the guy in harvard instead of the law enforcement offic...