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Guns. but if you look at shooting victims they're up by 9.3%. the shooting are still up by 8.4 so i guess my question is go after tools all day but criminals seem to still be getting them so what is this going to do, sir? >> well, you're exactly right that -- the weapon is the tool. what you really need to do is you need to actually prosecute people and that is consistently been a problem. so if you recover the firearm, and you have a good case on somebody if you cannot get them prosecuted and lock them up, you're not going to do anything. really all of the ghost guns do is just adds extra sou...

Anticrime unit has ceased 1800 guns. but if you look at shooting victims they're up by 9.3%. the shooting are still up by 8.4 so i guess my question is go after tools all day but criminals seem to still be getting them so what is this going to do, sir? >> well, you're exactly right that -- the weapon is the tool. what you really need to do is you need to actually prosecute people and that is consistently been a problem. so if you recover the firearm, and you have a good case on somebody if you cannot get them prosecuted and lock them up, you're not going to do anything. really all of the ghost...

$5 billion to $20 billion were half that size and they're barely a blip. >> it's a rounding error, not a big enough part of the economy. most of that money came back in anyway. so this is really just trying to politicize a nonevent and ignoring the beggar problem. we have a very sadistic tax code, makes small business owners not want to take a risk and put money in property, plant and equipment. those kind of investments are the kind that create jobs that put money in people's pockets, and set the backdrop for people to spend money. a two-week shutdown on a small part of the government has ver...