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Was the white house visit in return for the 2016 dnc server and burisma investigation. When you heard burisma, you did not see that as code for biden, the bidens . I did not. When did you even know that . Is it your testimony that you only realized that burisma included the bidens when the readout came out . No, i really dont recall the date. It was very late in the game, though. September . I dont recall the date. So if i told you that the Legal Definition of bribery was an event of offering, giving, soliciting or receiving of any item of value as a means of influencing an action of an indivi...

>> that's correct. >> he also testified that he spoke to giuliani and that giuliani did not relate that the -- that he was tieing on behalf of the president or on the president's behalf aid and in fact giuliani never said to him that aid was tied to investigations. the question i have for you is, did you ever have a conversation with giuliani that did not involve volker? your testimony is a lot of wes and uss. did you have a separate phone call where giuliani told you that the aid was tied? volker says that never happened. >> no, i did have a few conversations. i don't recall how many because ...