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And then when asked about, you know, the other yearbook with his nickname being coonman, other people did it, it's thin. it is so thin. and you have a state that's still trying to deal with the effects after verb of charlottesville. charlottesville is now a verb because of racism. you cannot say that it's over and you're going to govern well. this is more than an albatross around his neck. it's an albatross around the state's neck. he might be a recovering racist or what have you, but it doesn't look good, and he needs to step down. >> michael, there was this other moment during the presser th...

Believe it's over? >> wait a minute. you forgot one thing. the coonman in the other yearbook. he's delusional right now. you have the first black governor who was reserving judgment until he heard the press conference. you have his friend, bobby scott, congressman bobby scott, who said, you know, it's hard for a friend to denounce this, but he is. you know, there are many -- those two along with others are feeling that as he, you know, wanted to portray michael jackson, he should just moonwalk out of there. he is insulting the intelligence of the american population to say, ana -- i mean, i wa...

Yesterday and say that he was in the picture, today deny it, and then on top of it to say that he hopes that people would make a distinction between wearing blackface and imitating jackson and because he wasn't standing next to someone in the klan, he is completely tone deaf. then to say that his nickname of coonman, he doesn't know where that came from or how that appeared. this was not a 16 or 17-year-old boy. this is a person who graduated medical school in the early 1980s when there was a tremendous amount of activity around jesse jackson's campaign, the anti-apartheid movement. it was not...