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going in the wrong direction and people are still talking about green shoots and positive developments and i don't see any of it. >> brenda: we're still growing as an economy, it may not be as fast as everybody would hope for, but 2.2% that's not anything to sneeze at really. >> absolutely, and the projections this year he for 2.5%, you know, one quarter, but it does feel to most people like we're in a recession and we'll continue to feel that way until the economy gets back to where it was before 2008, and especially before the wall street financial collapse. and the big drag right ...

are we still in a recession? >> brenda, of course we're still in a recession if not approaching depression. when we talk about 83% of americans are recognizing we might be in recession, i think that number is low. i think that when you look at all the statistics that are out there, the home, new home starts, foreclosures are up. mutual funds outflows are up. and everything you think of as a good economic metric is going in the wrong direction and people are still talking about green shoots and positive developments and i don't see any of it. >> brenda: we're still growing as an econo...