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These people negotiate these and these are part of the benefit package and they are paid less money than what they are paid for in the private sector. this is what people are relying on and we paid people for years. i take it to kin telling steve he can't take the stock option and cash those in. yes, there is it a need of reform and paying these people more money. >> victoria, some of the people you take issue with. some of the pay outs are huge. one phoenix police commander cashed out $144,000 worth of sick days. this is not done in the private sector, is it? >> it certainly isn't. and hearin...

Table actually reduces the taxes from 35% to 28% for the super wealthy and the rest of his package increases the burden on the low and middle income class so they're going to have to pay more out of pocket, not necessarily in taxes but for medicare, child support and other kinds of activitys that are essential if you're going to go to work. so what we really need is a balanced package and i'm really pleased that the republicans are coming forward accepting some tax increases. that's a major stepand a major concession on the part of republicans. on our side, we want to protect social security a...

Medicare and medicaid. if we don't deal with the private sector, private insurance companies, which the president's affordable care act which passed does, sets up exchanges, sets up a benefit package, puts people -- allows people to go into exchanges, otherwise we're not going to do anything to solve the problem. we're just going to shift costs. shift costs to people who actually have to pay out of pocket. so, the president certainly showed leadership on the affordable care act. now, the republicans are trying to undo that. >> congresswoman, i agree with so much of what you've been saying. in ...

Unsustainable and we had to make choices we wish we did the no have to make. we need to find a way to reduce the cost of health care. your point is that the law isn't the way to did it. >>guest: let me predict and it is not a long shot, but it is clear what will happen, in 2014 the situation is going to be worse for two reasons. this is the employer responsibility provision and in 2014 employers are going to have to provide the essential benefit package which is were more costly than the current plan. and they get zoomed and many will decide to pay the $2,000 penalty, a pit tans, rather than t...

Of the non-elderly population. it will be up to 75 million to 80 million people on medicaid starting if 2013, two thirds of those now uninsured and you will pay for it in your premium. it is a cost-shifting i described. second, employers will have to provide the essential benefit package in 2014. >>neil: is the worse is yet to come because of health care? >>guest: many employers, half according to a survey will pay the $2,000 annual penalty, a pittance compares with the cost of the mandated benefits package. >>neil: are you covered for suicide? >>guest: a gruesome question. >>neil: don't think...