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Will be more expensive or cancer. >> jack, this is very good if you're healthy, let's be honest about it. >> or young. >> the way they are cutting costs in this is basically through not covering preexisting conditions, doing this $8 billion a pit tans, not going to come close to covering it. they're basically saying we will take care of people healthy and probably see your premiums go down, if you're sick and have a child who has diabetes and it costs $500 to get insulin for them. >> if you're insured now you cannot be cancelled because of preexisting illnesses. that is in this bill. kind of l...

That's the real purpose of this so-called recount in most cases to get a ballot counted in the first place. >> that is the point i think a lot of clinton fans are missing. let's go back and look at the margin of victory. wisconsin, 22,000 votes. 10,007 votes in michigan. 7,000 votes in pennsylvania, these are a pit tans. 70th,000 in pennsylvania. are democrats missing the point if they're worried about the machines being hacked and not worried about voter disenfranchiseme menment in the states? >> i think it's right. voter suppression is key here, especially when you look at wisconsin. act 300...

Say i don't like government but, hey, government hands off my medicare, for example, which is what we saw in the tea party movement. >> that's exactly the point. this idea that conservatives have that we just get rid of government and go back to our own price would be great. the experience of the pre-20th century america was pretty bad. if you were not already wealthy or a landed white man, life was really rough for you in 20th century. so when people actually experienced the loss of government, if there were no firemen to come and put out your house when your house was on fire, if there was n...

Unsustainable and we had to make choices we wish we did the no have to make. we need to find a way to reduce the cost of health care. your point is that the law isn't the way to did it. >>guest: let me predict and it is not a long shot, but it is clear what will happen, in 2014 the situation is going to be worse for two reasons. this is the employer responsibility provision and in 2014 employers are going to have to provide the essential benefit package which is were more costly than the current plan. and they get zoomed and many will decide to pay the $2,000 penalty, a pit tans, rather than t...

Control. we know that. where are the cuts. >> this is '09, 2010, 2011. >> okay. >> was this all the time the president was in office. so you went from 62.9 trillion to 88 because you ignored the problem. you said nothing. >> we're dealing with basically the budget, the budget for this year. >> yes. >> we're talking the democrats have agreed to $10 billion in cuts and you folks want about $50 billion more, something like that? >> yes. 57. >> you put it over to the senate, didn't get anything from the senate. how much will you get out of this year? you're talking about a pit tans of this enormou...