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Francona now. lieutenant, we have known isis is a huge problem for quite some time now. why have we been unable to get a grip on the situation before it spread in such a deadly way? >> i think we underestablishmented them. even the president called them the jv team. i think when they came out of syria and came east and took the city of mosul, i think that was the wake-up call and we thought, is this an aberration or are these guys really that good? that forced us to look at the pitiful state of the iraqi army and how fast they collapsed. so i think it was a combination of this power vacuum tha...

I'm back now to talk with our guest. joining me noe now is benjamin haidad, rick francona. i wonder if you heard the last conversation, julia, between my two guests and whether or not the threat against muslim necessary this country, whether it's real or i think he said whining. >> well, you know, no one has a monopoly on what will make america safe and secure. so i just want to give you my opinion from the security perspective. which is if you compare the united states to europe, the one thing that makes this country relatively safe -- we don't have an extreme radicalization process. we have ...

Terrorists in paris are dead and a manhunt is under way for the eighth. how do you fight those who are so willing to die? that's a good question. how does the fight against isis -- well, the question is, rick francona, how do you fight a war against someone who is so willing to die? unfortunately, since they're willing to die, you have to allow them to do that. you conduct the war as you would any other war, knowing full well that your fighting enemy is committed. and you have to change your tactics a little bit to take that into consideration. but right now, just bombing them from the air doe...