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0 and to look at the debate we need to have about excesses of what has been committed in the name of fighting this "war on terror." president obama, again this kind of gap between words and deeds. he has said we must stop talking about the war on terror, but yet you saw with alexander, you saw with clapper, and it is shocking to me that clapper's resignation hasn't been on the president's desk in the last few days -- the assemblage of the national security state there to kind of impose a veil of secrecy. if we're going to have that debate -- i'm sure my panelists disagree with how far we go --...

0 speculative about that, because it will cost. we could do mahler mitigation projects than building one large seawall. i guess in oklahoma, and i'm obviously not an expert at çal but hearing that story you could make the argument that for probably a small amount of money you could build a saferoom or cellar. we're thinking about similar things. here in new york we didn't get it right, either. there were some things we can't have done to make new york better prepared and better safe for the hurricane we had, but certainly going forward, we look at what is the best way we can expect the money...

0 benjamin wallace wells, and hugo lindbring. with us is michael isikoff. michael, i'd like to go to you first for the latest. this is obviously a fluid situation, but give us, if you might, any information you have as far as who these suspects might be. >> reporter: we do have new information here. at least two of these three people who are now in custody had been detained earlier by i.c.e. -- immigration and customs enforcement two saturdays ago, but in connection with this investigation, they were kaz acstudents, students from kazakhstan, friends of dzhokhar, and suspected of removing evide...

0 now, i expect that we'll be able to manage around it. but if i'm a man or woman in uniform in afghanistan right now, the notion that my spouse back home is having to worry about whether or not our kids are getting the best education possible, the notion that my school for my children on an army base might be disrupted because congress didn't act, that's an impact. mayor bloomberg and others may not feel that impact. i suspect they won't. but that family will. you know, the border patrol agents who are out there in is the hot sun doing what congress said they're supposed to be doing, finding ...

0 the country that have consealed carry permits, you know. to push something that would really be dramatic is just a huge policy haul. i think reid's interest in trying to get something going has to do more with the something than the broader politics. >> i'm confused. it might have more to do with the something than the actual thing. >> yeah. with that kind of comparative modesty of the actual proposals. >> this is why we have you on the show because you draw phrases like comparative modesty. >> meagan, to go back to this sort of argument here i thought one of the most marked remarks is his r...