Hopefully won't be. and i think at the end of the day, the ukrainians will fight this alone, and putin is likely to achieve his military objectives. perhaps in under 90 days. but will be in a strategic disaster for having taken on this mission. the sad tragic day will be a lot of refugees in abject misery. >> betsy, what's the general says there others have said. that in the end for whatever historical reasons, ukraine is not part of nato. it has struggled with what it is as a country. despite what vladimir putin says, that is not a country, it is really a country. but it has struggled with it...