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Person in place. >> you met with the senior staff for president zelensky. did you discuss the whole issue, the biden issue, hunter biden, serving on the board of the ukrainian gas company? did you discuss any of the allegations that the president of the united states and rudy giuliani have levelled? >> we did not. however, the foreigne le eluded to it in our opening and we put that out of the way. i wanted to get to how can we support ukraine. how can we avoid the problem that trump has created. establishing relationships and making sure fmoney flows and whatever additional support they might ...

Okay for them to do this that they are being encouraged to look into his political rivals. he did not explicitly say on that phone call we are going to hold that military aide unless you do this. he kind of points and nods. he's doing the same thing with the chinese. he did in june talked to xi jinping of the biden issue and transactional ideal that he's hoping to make with them. we know he's been that way for decades. he believes that and this is something mike pompeo also believes that the united states want something. then that's a way that the u.s. will also provide other countries with so...

The president's phone call with the ukrainian president problematic but the president has to get over his debunked conspiracy theory of the 2016 election involving ukraine. do you agree with what bossert is saying? >> look, bossert's a credible guy. i said that on tv last night. i respect his opinion. but let's not -- what he was talking about related to the dnc servers, not relating to the debunked theory related to dnc servers and not relating to the phone call with the president of ukraine. that being said, i agree there is some hysteria -- >> the phone call with the president of ukraine wa...

President from making the mistake he made on that phone call or whether, frankly, he was an enabler, and that -- that raises serious questions then about just exactly what kind of role that he played with regards to this whole issue. >> i'm wondering when you hear the president and his allies, not just attacking the credibility and the motive of the whistle-blower, but also suggesting that, you know, the person's identity needs to be revealed, i mean, that goes against everything that a whistle-blower, you know, protection is supposed to accomplish. >> the purpose of that whistle-blower law is...

This issue, is -- were you -- i guess -- i was going to say were you surprised -- >> we're all speechless. no, we're all speechless. anderson, the last time our count country endured a civil war was over america's original sin. slavery. and if donald trump thinks that this is a moment where he's actually being held accountable for his failures as president and his failure to uphold the oath to protect the constitution of the united states and our democracy, if he's equating that with a war that took place between american people over slavery, i mean, it is yet again evidence of the fact that h...