The forests, in the swamps north of kyiv. but now that they're on the step, now that they're on the plains, these big fields, that's where they need the drones. that's where they need the intelligence to be able to spot them. and that's where they need the heavy artillery, long-range artillery. >> how do you think -- are negotiations even possible anymore to put a stop to all the bloodshed? you hear from ukrainian officials, you know, and just regular people i was talking to last week when i was there in kyiv, who are saying, you know, after bucha, after the atrocities which we have all witnes...