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Significant role. so we have to be very careful. there's a lot of things i believe in new jersey we do need to change. ideas of binding arbitration that caused local executives like myself, democrats and republicans, to be put in very, very difficult situations, and we continue to pass pain onto taxpayers, which in this economy we can't afford. but to put forth this idea that we should eviscerate the right to collective bargaining, to get rid of unions all together to me is really going way too far. we have to find a way to balance. but there is no easy choices now. you cannot have a situation...

Believe in new jersey we do need to change. ideas of binding arbitration that caused local executives like myself, democrats and republicans, to be put in very, very difficult situations, and we continue to pass pain onto taxpayers, which in this economy we can't afford. but to put forth this idea that we should eviscerate the right to collective bargaining, to get rid of unions all together to me is really going way too far. we have to find a way to balance. but there is no easy choices now. you cannot have a situation where people are getting the fixed benefits that unfortunately over the lo...

Of what makes unions a union their collective bargaining rights? >> no, no, no. it is right for them to be able to negotiate on their salary. we need to let managers be able to determine things like keeping their pension system health thep. ma -- healthy. for exam pulple in the state ofo average private sector worker pays about 23% of their health care costs. in our cities, the average worker is paying 9%. this its all about restoring some balance to the system. right now when they wrote this bill almost 30 years ago it was done on a strict partisan basis where all the power was shifted to lab...

It is. and now, the news from columbus, ohio. doug? >>reporter: well, union organizers were expecting 20,000 here, that was the high end, and it was much less, and the congressman kucinich said 6,000 and i estimate 3,000. they have moved, a big portion, have moved inside the statehouse. the arrangement here is different than what we saw in wisconsin. the actual hearing room when it is underway at 4:00, is limited to just the people who will be testifying. it is blocked off. you have to have a pass to get in so the union members have gathered on the floor below that setting up chairs and loudsp...

Plan for retirement. >> cincinnati reports they are having growing cost annually on the payroll of 18%. but once it's approve and you go down the path you can never reverse it. trying to give them the ability to adjust. they are not bankrupting the community. >> the rules for dismissing professor are inflexible. it could take two-and-a-half years to complete. >> we don't have two-and-a-half years to react to the market. changing too quickly. >> the unionized workers say component of the bill such as ending binding arbitration would increase cost. >> there is no end point. you continue on throu...