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And the commitment that we would have the same bill pass the house and the senate. that's what we have now. that's what the president presented. and we won't have anything regardless of whatever input we have in the bill unless it is agreed to by the senate. of course, we have to have it comply with the senate 51 vote or the bird rule. there's two things, the bird rule and the privilege scrub. is that more than you ever wanted to know? but that's what we have to do. we hope to do that soon, but, again, we have to listen as the printed version goes out. there's some clarifications that will com...

That would say that is true. i worry that undermines the use of real numbers and facts which are so important in guiding good policy decisions. >> and nick mulvaney, omb director telling me in an interview three weeks ago, this is gaming the system to try to keep the overall number under the budget rules so that the so-called bird rule so we only needed 50 votes and not 60 votes. he says and they all acknowledge that the good gimme parts of this, the dessert, if you will which is tax cuts for some people in the middle class, would end up being extended not being allowed to expire. so the real ...

Trillion dollars? >> we thought the growth was 3% to 5%. their estimate that it's a little less than 1% i think is way lower than anything we've seen in the international experience. and i think 3% to 5% is enough over ten years to give you what we're talking about. >> we've seen the cbo score. we've seen other things that have come in that have indicated the vast majority of the benefit of these tax cuts are going to go to the wealthiest americans and over the course of a year, two years and ultimately ten years, the middle class will pay more because of the sunsets on the individual tax cuts...

Won't support it listen, democrats don't have to really participate in this discussion right now. republicans don't have their own house in order. for a president who has built his reputation on making a deal, he hasn't been able to repeal and replace obamacare. he hasn't been able to get tax reform done. >> trish: do you blame him for that or blame mitch mcconnell and the republicans? you know, he tried. he wanted a lot more. when it comes to tax reform for man any piece of policy this is a president that cares deeply about lowering corporate taxes and understands the significance of that, mi...

Why you have the individual tax cuts expiring, that's not a good sell when you head home. individual tax cuts you can expire. republicans say when asked about that on the hill, they say, that's ten years out. there's plenty of time to fix that. that's the message? >> you know what, it's because of some arcane rule they call the bird rule in the senate which is ironic because -- >> arcane or not it exists. or cane or not it exists. answer the question, though. that's how you're going to sell it? enough time to fix the problem? >> i'm going to let you hold on to your money for 10 years and then ...