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That would say that is true. i worry that undermines the use of real numbers and facts which are so important in guiding good policy decisions. >> and nick mulvaney, omb director telling me in an interview three weeks ago, this is gaming the system to try to keep the overall number under the budget rules so that the so-called bird rule so we only needed 50 votes and not 60 votes. he says and they all acknowledge that the good gimme parts of this, the dessert, if you will which is tax cuts for some people in the middle class, would end up being extended not being allowed to expire. so the real ...

Institution institutionalize basically a water torture for the country where we would be going through this potentially month after month after month. >> yeah. jared, it was reported today that the country saw another drop in unemployment claims. the housing market as we have discussed before is showing small signs of recovery. auto sales are up. doesn't going through a debt ceiling hostage crisis, as john says, every month only threaten the very recovery that we're now starting to experience? >> exactly. and that's the thing that from an economic perspective and a fiscal perspective i think i...

>> when obamacare became obamacare. >> when obamacare became obamacare. this was jammed through. this wasn't a bipartisan process. and if you think about it right now, that's what we need to do and dial back. here's the consequence, though. there's a consequence on the budget. there's a consequence on tax reform. so if you want to talk about -- >> on getting this thing through with bipartisan support. >> you know why they're so nervous right now? it's not just we owe this to our constituency, but remember, when the cbo just did the estimate on the senate bill, it was $320 billion accretive to ...