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Of some great political movement, but rather the death rattle of populists, white nationalists and neo nazis. >> right. right. i mean, i want to be careful here in the way i talk about it, but -- first of all, the story in america is not unique. anytime you have a country in which there are pretty sudden demographic shifts you're going to have dislocation, alienation, resentment and it's going to boil up. this is why the answer to hyper restrictive immigration policies is not open immigration necessarily, it's controlled, orderly, thoughtful immigration processes that allow america to be ameri...

Demographics this is not a birth cry of white nationalism, it's a death rattle. and you look -- you remember 1972, the headiness for republicans, the complete despair for dermonstrates, nixo wins 49 states, 29 months late he's leaving washington. i'm not saying that's exactly what's going to happen here, but often -- well, you know, one of my favorite quotes in politics, senator paul simon said at the end of his long political career, what's your favorite motto in politics, he said sometimes when you win you lose and sometime when you lose you win. and ain't that the truth. >> it is. who said ...

This is not the birth cry of some new nationalism. this is the death rattle of a 1950s or a 1960s political coalition. this is the end. >> the question is, how expensive the funeral will be, joe. >> right. >> one of the interesting things here about the current state of politics is that demonization of one's opponent happens to be the central political currency and that demonization appeals to to an interesting sort of way of a variety of identities. do you identify as a god-fearing chris dan? do you identify as a hard-core republican? so that last pitch by saccone to demonize his opponents wa...

Instances like that broward sheriff's department and you think the whole system is corrupt and broken. i worry that this can become more -- the ethnonationalism on the right can be more attractive than it looks right now. >> i dissent from that only because jonathan swan we are still talking about a one-term president who lost by three million votes to perhaps the least effective communicator in the history of modern american politics in hillary clinton with a campaign that didn't take polls because they thought they were smarter than people like bill clinton and barack obama and joe biden and...