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Of whether russia has some type of leverage over trump. can they come to him and say, look, you know, we have this thing. we would like you to do "x" unless, whatever. essentially it's a blackmail issue. >> but he wasn't running for president in 2013. >> correct, but he was president in january of 2017. >> yeah. >> to michael's point, when you see in these memos how this bothered him and to the point you were making earlier. so if this is something that really bothered him that he wanted cleared up, maybe that could say it's something the russians could have used for leverage if this existed. ...

So all of it rings with such clarity and such truth and the minute detail is rather remarkable. what's also interesting is trump didn't deny it today. he came up with this cock and bull story it exonerated him. if he was lying comey, he would have denied. apparently he's conceding what he wrote down is true. >> michael, tell me if you had to explain to an editor why this matters. why does the two women sex workers and what allegedly happened in the room with him which is obviously a focus of people's human interest for better or worse, what's the relevance of that to the larger question whethe...

In a president down the road. >> why did they think ralph nor northam was successful, they were two prosecutors, that goes to -- it's not stormy daniels, but it's the morass of trump. >> the fact that it's not that big of a story is in fact evidence of how low the expectations are for donald trump. imagine it was barack obama. the bar is so low. on the one hand you say it's so easy for him to get over the bar because the bar is so low. but over time, it makes people say, he isn't fit. if he can't even --. >> i think -- >> it's a blackmail issue, and

Spousal abuse. that is an enormous for obvious reasons red flag during a background check. today as you heard raj shah, he he repeatedly laid off responsibility for this in effect on the security clearance process. in fact, we went through the transcript and we counted 25 times that he said or referenced the security clearance process here. the way the process works, though, in fact, is while the fbi does therecommendation. applies that information to the white house and it's up to tt white house to grant that clearance. white house gave the interim clearance. it would have been up to the whit...

Is the blackmail issue. and it's maybe easier to understand in a different context. just imagine if the head of the fbi, for instance, had had an affair, was trying to keep it out of the public eye, was subject to blackmail, we would all think that that's a problem. it's the same problem when you've got either a presidential candidate or the president of the united states. and then the risk that this is not the only incident that he's blackmailable on. there's more, really has to call into question the entire integrity of the administration. it's deeply troubling. don't know why that aspect is...