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Be in a different political situation than any other has in the past. every other president, bill clinton sat down with ken starr. they didn't want the political blow-back here. i'm not sure that president trump is concerned about the political blow-back. >> nixon and clinton cooperated at the end of the day because it was death not to. by sewe seem to be operating in different political time. even the idea of the president taking the fifth amendment has somehow been normalized. we use that word a lot. his supporters are being prepared for that possibility and frankly don't seem worked up abou...

Becomes when is he going to get all the facts straight? and when will the president get fed up with him being a distraction and earning him negative press rather than the positive press and the positive reactions that he wanted from giuliani in the first place? and i think for a lot of trump supporters, like myself, we are hoping that that is sooner rather than later because giuliani means well, but he can also run the other way and do more harm than good. >> i actually see it a little bit differently. i think that, yes, i agree that he loves people to go and defend him, but then it's the blow...

Attorney or you're a pr person, is you need to know the answer to the questions before you go out. >> i think bakari hit the nail on the head when he talked about the kind of client that rudy giuliani and all of this lawyers have, which is donald trump. somebody who is a liar, somebody who will not tell you the truth, even if you ask him the question straight out. to me, it's still baffling, gloria, you reported this, that before giuliani went out on the sean hannity, supposedly he and the president were on the same page. nobody else was, nobody else knew what they were talking about or what g...

Stand as the official account of this episode. you know, all this time later. i want to say a couple things, one about getting too close to the son in this white house. absolutely. bannon wasn't on tv so much, but had the book about him, he was on the cover of "time" magazine. >> right. >> we know from the famous scaramucci ten days that at first, trump really liked scaramucci, he liked, you know, all the stuff he was doing, liked when scaramucci was punching people in the news. >> like you. >> then the blow-back came and everyone said this guy's a bit of a joke, making you look bad and trump ...

Idea of talking to robert mueller. there's the legal question here, there's also the political issue. it just seems this president may be in a different political situation than any other has in the past. every other president, bill clinton sat down with ken starr. they didn't want the political blow-back here. i'm not sure that president trump is concerned about the political blow-back. >> nixon and clinton cooperated at the end of the day because it was death not to. we seem to be operating in a different political time. even the idea of the president taking the fifth amendment has somehow b...