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learned how to create a wave of public opinion, then how to surf it. the modern campaign tools, social media, algorithms, appear to be creating an atmosphere of hatred, even mutual hatred. how worried are you by that? i am terrified by it, completely terrified. i grew up in an era where, although ideological differences, people put their country first. ronald reagan sat down with tip o'neill, bill clinton sat down with newt gingrich, put the country first. that does not exist today, and that terrifies me, because at the end of the day whether you are electing a president, senator, it is about putting the country first, people first. we have put political power first, that to be as dangerous and could mean the end of democracy in the long run, because as long as we go down this path,
and joe biden in the us, the brexit league campaign in the uk, and viktor0rban in hungary, league campaign in the uk, and viktor orban in hungary, learned how to create a wave of public opinion, then how to surf it. the modern campaign tools, social media, algorithms, appear to be creating an atmosphere of hatred, even mutual hatred. how worried are you by that? i am terrified by it, completely terrified. i grew up in an error where, although ideological differences, people put their country first. ronald reagan sat down with tip o'neill, bill clinton sat down with newt gingrich, put the country first. that does not exist today, and that terrifies me, because at the end of the day whether you are electing a president, thompson, senator, it is about putting the country first, people first. we have good political power first, people first. we have good political powerfirst, that people first. we have good political
>> tin- question. >> reporter: -- the former president invoked the fifth. ay genal james accusesame the former president, his three children and their company of a long running scheme to inflate the value of their properties, something investigators asked trump about. >> the valuations include false and misleading valuation statements, correct. >> same answer. >> reporter: former prosecutor harry litman. >> he was disciplined and just said same answer, same answer, because the stakes are high. he couldn't beat trump. eth a really vivid demonstration of the justice system catching up with him and making him abandon his normal playbook. >> reporter: not since bill clinton sat for a deposition in a paula jones case has a sitting
because, remember that bill clinton sat for a civil grand jury. if a president can be forced to sit for a civil grand jury and yet the trump administration comes along and says but a criminal one, you know, i can shoot someone in the street and not be held accountable. and by the way, the department of justice at the federal level cannot hold me accountable for federal crimes either. that is literally an argument that says i am above the law as long as i am president. >> is jake sherman still with us? jake, this is something, and i'm sure you've got a lot more reporting from this than i, do but i've heard from sources that this is what awaits us as a country on the other side of impeachment however it goes. a conversation, a debate, it would appear now a supreme court decision about whether or not the powers of congress are worth fighting for, worth enforcing and worth bolstering.
african-americans, the question is would twitter ban them? it can't have a double standard based on race. and all good people have to come out and condemn. but especially people who participate in the million man march in 1995, headed by farrakhan, which really made him prominent in american politics i don't. people like barack obama participated in the march and proudly defended and people like keith ellison who work close whether i farrakhan. these folks have a special obligation to condemn, look, chelsea clinton to her credit went out of her way to condemn farrakhan's remarks. i wish bill clinton had done it because bill clinton sat next to farrakhan at the funeral of frank lineal. he has a special obligation, too. i think silence is not an appropriate response to farrakhan's bigotry. >> in fact, alan, mr. farrakhan has referred to hillary clinton as a wicked woman. he compared her to hitler as well.
i do. i think it will be a combination of oral questioning and written questioning. >> bill: bill clinton sat for a deposition that ran for four hours and he did it on camera. i can't see you advising that if you were the president's lawyer. would you? >> i would not advise that. look, there are many things that went wrong with bill clinton's deposition. i think the first thing is he tried to outsmart the questioning and it got him in hot water to say the least. it comes down to make sure you've adequately prepared the president for this questioning. mock questions and answers and his story right the first time. >> bill: do you think rick gates is a good witness for the state against manafort? >> i think he is a good witness, yes, i do. >> bill: is he damaged now he admitted he stole several hundred thousand from the guy who is on trial? >> it damages him. the prosecution was trying to get out in front of the story. the last thing they would want
be in a different political situation than any other has in the past. every other president, bill clinton sat down with ken starr. they didn't want the political blow-back here. i'm not sure that president trump is concerned about the political blow-back. >> nixon and clinton cooperated at the end of the day because it was death not to. by sewe seem to be operating in different political time. even the idea of the president taking the fifth amendment has somehow been normalized. we use that word a lot. his supporters are being prepared for that possibility and frankly don't seem worked up about that possibility. one thing, rudy being -- if you ignore all the craziness, one thing he has tried to do is he has tried to -- hate to use this word again -- normalize michael cohen as a fixer. he's basically tried to come out and say this is just no big deal, yes, he paid off women, yes, he did this, the president guy him money, that's the way it was. this is a celebrity who had a lot of issues. if he had a strategy going into
idea of talking to robert mueller. there's the legal question here, there's also the political issue. it just seems this president may be in a different political situation than any other has in the past. every other president, bill clinton sat down with ken starr. they didn't want the political blow-back here. i'm not sure that president trump is concerned about the political blow-back. >> nixon and clinton cooperated at the end of the day because it was death not to. we seem to be operating in a different political time. even the idea of the president taking the fifth amendment has somehow been normalized. we use that word a lot. his supporters are being prepared for that possibility and frankly don't seem worked up about that possibility. one thing, rudy being -- if you ignore all the craziness, one thing he has tried to do is he has tried to -- hate to use this word again -- normalize michael cohen as a fixer. he's basically tried to come out and say this is just no big deal, yes, he paid off women, yes, he did this, the president gave him money, that's the way
bill clinton sat for four hours. do we think that donald trump has the wherewithal to be able to withstand four hours, 40 minutes with mueller and his team to be able to do all these things, withstand all these seasoned investigators asking questions point blank? it's a very impossible feat. >> and president clinton, one of the articles of impeachment was perjury and another one of the four was suborning perjury. we have a lot more to discuss on the president ordering the firing of robert mueller. what might this mean for the investigation? the top democrat on the senate intelligence committee, park warner, will be here next. stick around. you book at hiltom ark warner, will be here next.
ambitious senator. >> they can dredge up about what they said about obama and use it against him but as far as obamacare, would it be like democrats say awe don't pay enough in taxes? well, they can write a check. >> so they have a big story about about jeffrey epstein. he flies to orgy island, young girls sex, can you imagine taking money for his foundation? and getting the pass the clintons are getting? do you think that could happen? >> was it called orgy island before they went to it? that is a tip off. >> he gave money to the clinton foundation after even got in trouble with the young girl thing. >> and they would not get a pass. they were young girls there. and bill clinton sat next to a