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So its not that we surrender and we dont have some of the alternatives and some of the responses, so, again, academically, i think you are absolutely right. We have to go into that, but again, in the interests of time, we have to conclude this socalled. Were running much further than academic and were going to ask now general gray to have the last word. I want to thank not only the panel e8 but the audience as well. Its been a super set of discussions and view points and the like. I couldnt help but think that cult oors are really important here and i think we have to understand the cultures of america and the free world as we know it today and the democratic environment and related governments and the like and the cultures that we have grown up with. And understand very clearly that there are other cultures out there which are maybe equally important and certainly different. We will never get the to first base in this entire challenge without understanding the cultures, the arabic cul ....