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37 minutes between the last time we heard gunshots to now. so the idea of if they thought it was a barricaded situation, or no longer an active shooter, that has now been retriggered. >> and it will be another half an hour before they make entry. >> i just want to talk about the victims, right? because i spoke to one of the mothers of one of the kids who survived. and she told me that her son recollects, remembers someone hearing a police officer say hey, you inside? do you need help? and the kid answers back yeah, we're in here. and then the gunman shoots and kills him. so that is h...

Committee, senior law enforcement official said there was no command, incident command inside. but there was no incident command outside either. so basically, no one was in charge. it was a free-for-all. >> yeah. a command post would have been established outside. >> of course. and that incident commander, which in this case would normally be arredondo, because he owns the turf. he is the school police chief. we are in a school. so by default he would be the incident commander. but he has the ability to delegate tactical command and things like that other people. once bor-tac arrives. >> what ...