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Let's wait until we see it but it sounds like more and less than the president demanded here. is that in your view the right solution? >> it sounds like a move in the right direction. >> the 17. >> yeah. >> i think the fact that this is fairly quiet bodes well. i the fact that they immerged well with nonpolitical border experts and they immerged from meetings not digging in is a good sign. they are on a short time here. i think there's a reasonable compromise to be made. it does get vexing that we are not able to make those. i think having the shutdown and agreeing to come back predicated on t...

Change from last week and nothing happened and today when they met in person in private. >> strong words. i'm working ward that goal. we're hopeful that the tone is good between the various members of the conferrees. we're dealing in substance now, something that we haven't done before. >> today's action away from the cameras included a classified briefing where dhs officials and border experts gave security-based intel about what is needed along the border to keep it legal and products out. it was not a political briefing. part of the reason that democrat henry cuellar thinks the white house ...

Are wanting -- >> tucker: you are not going to address my question. i don't want to be mean. >> the fact of the matter is, what she is saying is what border experts say, by and large, which is that a 25-foot concrete wall is unnecessary. it is not necessary to spend that money. physical not going to work. >> tucker: you just said we have more people coming in than we did with the democrats but you are telling me it is not necessary to secure the border with a big, bad wall. a virtual wall would be okay. democrats just want to save money. that's their motto, how can we save taxpayers money? >> ...

Are wanting -- >> tucker: you are not going to address my question. i don't want to be mean. >> the fact of the matter is, what she is saying is what border experts say, by and large, which is that a 25-foot concrete wall is unnecessary. it is not necessary to spend that money. and it's not going to work. t >> tucker: you just said we have more people coming in than we did with the democrats but you are telling me it is not necessary to secure the border with a big, bad wall. a virtual wall would be okay. democrats just want to save money.ot s that's their motto, how can we save taxpayers mone...

I saw a guy that, principle, we're going to build a wall to protect our society. >> we don't know what that means anymore. >> let me finish. friedman said if you're going to have a welfare state, you need a stronger border otherwise there's a economic insensitive to cross the border into your welfare state. united states has a welfare position in the society, providing a safety net and i believe we should have that, paul ryan believes that and so does the president. but you have to protect the people living in the united states legally so you can protect the tax system and the services and the...