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Without because of what the president is doing. on your point on how they are making exceptions in certain cases, having been through shutdowns, they fell into this. they didn't plan for this. for the shutdowns i have been through, we planned months in advance and we knew how much money we had and how it was going to be spent and the cascading effect. we briefed on that well in advance so there were no surprises. >> i don't think it's yet a huge issue for the american public because it's a partial shut down. if it continues for another three or four days, it becomes an issue. going back to the...

If you late bully succeed, you'll be bullied again worse. >> listen here, though, democrat senator chris coons apparently sees it a little differently. >> i am someone who is willing to see more border fencing as long as we choose a technology that dhs says is going to be effective, and i do think his moving toward steel slats rather than concrete wall, if it holds, is important. what you've just cited there is progress. >> with me this day to share their reporting and their insights, kathy lucy with the associated press. we could have a senate and a house play. let's start with what we just l...

Important difference in technology. a fourth century concrete wall that you can't see through will be a less effective border barrier. look, not one mile of new border fencing has been built this year despite the 1.3 billion we appropriated last year. i am someone who is willing to see more border fencing as long as we choose a technology that dhs says is going to be effective and i do think his moving towards steel slats rather than concrete wall, if it holds is important. the person who is missing from these negotiations is mitch mcconnell, the majority leader. look, the majority leader had ...

Haven't gotten to the core issue. that's the question of the wall and how dug in the two sides continue to be on this. democrats have a plan when the house gets back tomorrow to start sending these appropriations bills one at a time over to the senate to try to increase this pressure on republican lawmakers in the senate to act on this and decouple the question of the shutdown and the wall. but i just don't have a lot of optimism that we're moving fast enough. unfortunately it's one of those situations where the pain in real america almost has to get worse before there's enough pressure on law...

It will be less obtrusive and stronger. under the way the law is written right now it is technically not a wall. >> do you think this is a wall? the white house's answer is yes, we do. in a letter to democrats they called it a wall. a physical barrier wall. perhaps the only thing more ridiculous than a wall that isn't a wall but really is a wall is claiming that it desperately needs to be built and it has already been built. >> the work has already been done, they say build a wall, i don't say that any more, i say finish the wall. we have done a lot of work. >> no new sections of border fencin...