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At a modest distance from the presidency of Donald Trump one thing has become entirely clear, the American conservative movement has irrevocably changed.

A s-hole. kimberly, some conservatives, border hawks, think the president was walking into a trap when they came to this deal they didn't like. maybe some are happy that this s-hole comment came out and it looks like it's falling apart. >> kimberly: i agree with greg. you never know how this is going to turn out but he got pushed up against couple issues and he was trying to come in the spirit of negotiation, try to say i'm willing to come to the table. were going to oregon. then they went ahead and bad faith and called him a racist. i agree with rand paul. it's a nonstarter. you're accusing t...

I think it does deal with how you define amnesty. >> jesse: if you give the dreamers the ability to vote, that would be a big problem for a lot of people. i would have a problem with it. that might not be part of the deal. a lot of people say 800,000 dreamers voting. if you look at the big deal, border hawks are getting a lot done. not only are they getting funding for the border wall. they are getting more border agents, immigration judges. getting rid of chain migration which is basically my cousin vinny. your cousin, your uncle, come on in. the lottery system, they are getting rid of that. ...

Reasons you guys have been talking about. it gets closer than anything we've seen before, first, because the republicans should need something like this and it does address their concerns, particularly you just alluded to, sam, the principle the border has to be made secure before you start dealing with these people and one question joe mentioned what happened in the '80s you stop this flow and don't have this problem again. the right wing of the republicans can say what they will say. everybody knows in their heart of hearts we're not going to deport 11 or 12 million illegal immigrants, split...

Countries first before they get some degree of amnesty? governor romney has said all week he's going to propose a long-term solution. that's kind of his preferred choice of words, long-term solution. but what does that mean? does that mean mass deportations or some form of conditional amnesty? we don't know because they won't say. and by that they say, well, because on their right flank they're facing heat from border hawks in their own party. >> you're in california -- >> and -- whose votes they need. >> can any illegal immigrant become legal without first leaving the country? >> yes. but, un...