To rise because these policies, including those that the biden administration has put forth to replace title 42, they really are no match for the much more powerful, macroforces, both those that push people to the united states. so violent conflict, as you mentioned, profound hunger and instability, but also on our side of the border, the forces drauing people here, which is a massive labor shortage. and that, i feel like, is a much more important focus than day-to-day border numbers. >> yet you're aware of the politics. you can go back 20 years or more to this issue being dealt with in an adu...