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Can remove those who come here illegally. i think the president was clear. he asked for bipartisan support. it was really a unifying moment i think on some important issues. >> sean: secretary, i've been down to the border a dozen times. i've been from the rio grande to san diego. i've seen drug warehouses. i've seen gang members. i've been in helicopters, boats, all-terrain vehicles. you can laugh at me on horseback. i've seen all of this and we always end up getting the consideration, the amnesty going back to '86. we never, ever get the wall funded and built.

Border a dozen times. >> but that's not the issue. >> it is the issue. >> listen you can't -- my view su can't have open borders and a welfare state. i understand that. i get that. that's not what he said. >> remember when rick perry took on the issue of the border down in texas? i went down there. this was the meeting he was supposed to have with obama. i sat through a briefing with officials. since 2008 645,000 crimes -- wait a minute. were committed against texans by illegal immigrants. that is not a small insignificant number. >> and what is donald doing to rick perry right now? a guy -- e...

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Of new jersey chris christie is with us. how you, governor? good to see you. >> a pleasure. >> in my opinion, having been to the border a dozen times donald trump is right. and i think republicans are afraid to say it. >> yeah. >> since obama has been president, 642,000 texans have been victims of crime by illegal immigrants, including nearly 3,000 murders. how come we don't secure that border? >> because it's been a failure of a president who has been unwilling to even acknowledge that there is a problem, letza2 alone come up with a solution for it, sean. and we talked about four steps we hav...