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Are they right to fear your power? do you feel as powerful as they think you are? >> i don't feel as powerful as they think we are. but i do understand the sentiment. i do understand how actions by us could generate more fear. and i think the only way we can disarm that is by being a lot more open, explaining in a straightforward way why we make decision, how we make decisions. >> you all are every day taking down bot nets and suspicious accounts and trying to stamp out abuse that's happening every day. but i wonder if users don't see it happening enough. >> yeah, it's an amazing point, and li...

Hoax, hoax. maybe if you did a search of everything he said as president, hoax might come up in the top ten. why did the president ask for this? >> two things are happening. according to my reporting there's pressure from below on these officials. people in the intelligence services were really thrown by helsinki. there was a lot of pressure from veteran republicans and people in security said do something. we have to make a statement. >> you think it was their idea, their pressure, not the president's idea? >> i'm not sure i take that at face value. he went out hours later and understo underc...

Is that your biggest concern here? >> no. that's a little too bold. it could happen but i would say the odds of it at the present are quite low. i think more likely to see is continued russian intimidation, a build-up of russian forces, efforts to co-op, corrupt these governments in nato, to get them to give up on their values. to take russian investments and blandishments and demoralize the democratic spirit in eastern europe. he could accomplish his goal through what we call hybrid warfare probably more successfully than an overt invasion and be prepared to hand tell overt invasion and not b...

Tillerson is like waving a white flag they're going to do t. >> step one is sanctions. how come we aren't imposing sanctions. >> why aren't we? >> the administration decided it wasn't what we were doing, we're doing fine with sanctions. on the one hand steve mnuchin is saying it hasn't worked. they're coming for us and there isn't anything we can do to stop it. there are things we can do. >> what can we do to stop the bots? >> we know, for example, who is funding these bot nets and which people in russia are organizing them. >> we can trace the money? >> in some cases. it's been done before. y...

Protect their systems. so if we can anticipate or we're aware of a given threat. as you know, we've gone to great lengths this year to work with the intel community to also include otherwise classified information with respect to malware, bot nets. we want to give it to the private sector to proactively defend themselves before they are, in fact, attacked. >> second do you believe the current law imposes any unnecessary constraints on the private sector's ability to deploy active defense? >> i would say that i would be happy to work with your staff. it is rather complicated. there are some lim...