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In that, attorney-client privilege, under the crime fraud exception which means that if you are doing something improper, illegal, fraudulent, then the attorney client privilege cannot be a shield to the disclosure of that information. the bottom line ali, neither of them are good privileges. would probably hold up in a court of law. certainly at play, and could hinder the january 6th committee without going to court. >> actually, rudy giuliani and donald trump have been closed for years. they did run against each other for the primary of the republican nomination. can you remind us of this an...

When it comes to dnc, are they worried about big things like democracy, or are they worried about big things that are affecting their lives eggs, like climate, like gun violence, like social justice? does it all add up his democracy, or is it a different set of concerns? >> it absolutely does. there's a significant concern with our state of democracy, concerned about the potential of a civil war. that was a key finding for the last i hope he. ali, they're essentially five factors that have led to the formation of the generations values. the first of which is occupy movement. it was led by a ge...

Welcome to all of you. carol, let's start with you. how big a deal are tonight's subpoenas? >> gets right down to the core group that was around donald trump in the days and to be honest, week, of efforts to try to push the big lie and to try to block the peaceful transfer for of power. to me, it is pretty striking. the group that has been chosen here. the lawyers that gave the president legal advice. but they were also meeting and giving him advice about how to lie to the american public. and how to mangled the constitution, which didn't appear to understand very well. to make claims about vi...

Has met with investigators to explain the side of the story. the deutsche bank side of the story. so there are certainly a lot of information that is available to the attorney general. some of the trump organization's accountants at mazars also has been in front of the investigators. the interesting thing, a little insight baseball here ali, is that it is unusual to be pushing so hard on a civil investigation that has a parallel criminal investigation, you cannot use a civil investigation as a stalking course to develop evidence that you could then use in a criminal investigation. and that is ...

President said about these efforts. to mislead the public and to do it in multiple stages. . >> daniel, let's talk about executive privilege. a number of people abroad about, they don't have to do, they don't have to give this committee evidence, because of executive privilege. rudy giuliani's lawyer, robert costello, called the subpoena political theater and said that rudy giuliani would be covered by executive privilege, so that mr. trump invoke it. as well as attorney-client privilege, could you please explain these two privileges and how they come into play. here >> certainly ali. that is ...