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Walking toward the candidacy. there is a piece out this weekend in the post by stacy abrams and her coming into this field. could she change the field and change the dynamics dramatically if she were to come in? >> not entirely. you know? stacy abrams brings something to the table and talks about voter suppression and depressing issue but rallying candidates don't n use that as a way to get into office. she lost by a point and a half to the sitting governor in georgia but needs to be considered a viable candidate for the presidency. if she runs against david perdue who more or less aligned him...

Theyen are not going anywhere. it's about 2.2 million people. he did not win wisconsin, ohio, pennsylvania by saying we will repair the fence in arizona, and by the way, we are going to work with nancy pelosi on taking care ofof the dreamers. >> sean: do you agree with me that if he makes those concessions and does not get the funding for the wall up front, he is never getting it? >> never getting it compared to then wall, the rays act, e-verify, it has to be part of any deal. he will not have more leverage lending have rightht now. if he says, i'm willing to hear you out, we are not rounding ...

Up to some of the real problem for him or not. >> let me just ask about the nuts and bolts of what is -- this is going to look like. this is my understanding of talking with a couple of sources. that part of this deal couldn't move things like more money for ice agents. more money, in general, for the border security, if not the wall, potentially something like e verify. do those things, amber, sound realistic to you that's something that can be folded into a deal even though we don't know the details yet. >> absolutely. i think that will be how to turn it into lemonade. try to get the preside...

Style rally. the immigration bill is likely to come up. >> bill: speech me one starts now, have a great thursday. >> we begin with a fox news alert. a new day in new leaks out of the white house. this time, phone calls between president trump and the leaders of mexico and australia shedding new light on the very tense exchanges. welcome to "happening now," i'm rick leventhal and for jon scott. >> molly: great to having her in in the new studio. i molly line. that leak most likely being discussed right now and the presidents meeting with national security advisor h.r. mcmaster. later this hour,...

>> i'm very excited to be here with senator perdue and president trump to be introducing the new version of the rays act. our legal immigration system should accomplish two main goals. one, it should help american workers get a pay raise and have a higher standard of living which would help promote economic growth. our current system simply doesn't do that. it's over a half century old. it is an obsolete disaster. and it's time for it to change. >> sandra: let's bring in executive in residence at american university school of public affairs and former ohio senate minority leader and staff writ...