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President , correct . Its appropriate for the Justice Department and the Prosecutor General to cooperate and to exchange information, yes. But to the extent that the president has concerns and to the extent that the Attorney General is having u. S. Attorney durham look into it, isnt it entirely appropriate for the president to flag this for president zelensky and say that you should be in touch with our official channels . Mr. Castor, i dont know the precise appropriateness of these kind of relations. Now, were you involved, either of you involved with the preparation for the 7 25 call . I was...

Rudy giuliani's statements and involvement in the ukraine policy, yes. >> okay. so, when it genuinely became, you know, a concern for you, what did you do to either engage sondland and volker, perry and giuliani -- by the way, have you ever met giuliani during these times relevant? >> not during the times relevant. he visited, mr. giuliani visited ukraine one time when i was there. i think in 2007 or 2008. that's the only time i have met him. >> okay. so you have never had any communications with rudy giuliani of you who these irregular channel business. >> that's correct. that's correct. >> a...