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Friend of brett calf kavanaugh dr. ford believes was in the room at the time of the assault and deborah ramirez has accused kavanaugh of exposing himself to her while they were classmates as yale. and party snell could be there at that party and leland kaiser will be an important person for the fbi to talk to, the friend of dr. ford who was at the party with her that day. important to point out all of these people have put out statements on one level or another talking about their experience as it relates to the ford case, none of these people have been able to specifically corroborate her sto...

Case. >> let's talk a little bit now about what is a negotiation between ford and the senate gop. they had a phone call last night. they're communicating right now. that's progress. she laid out some demands here. can't do monday. want to speak second after brett calf gna cavanaugh. want to speak to witnesses. a couple of those they're not going to do. you have to hear from her first, give him a chance to respond, et cetera. do you see the two sides coming together so we will see this testimony next week? >> i do. i think this is dramatically different from the perspectives we heard just a few...

>> it's very hard to say. i'm not sure it has with clarence thomas. once someone is very publicly accused of rape. i do think it dogs them. of course, if you believe brett calf now, this is at worst a drunken behavior he's used in his youth. it could dog him for the rest of his life. if it does, that's simply sad. and this will be seen as a very wrong political cynical action. >> of course, on the other hand you have the woman who's accusing him, and one could say this has had an incredible impact on her life throughout. so it is a very difficult situation. we will be watching, of course, thei...

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Certainly, to have herself be filled with so much scrutiny and blasted by so many people. and really have her career challenged on so many levels. >> michelle? >> you know, i understand and i'm sure that there are men, even men watching this, who will say, obviously you can't just let a man's whole career be derailed every time any woman accuses him of anything. but i think it's important to note that that's not what's happening here. that she -- although in a certain sense you're kind of never going to have definitive proof or almost never going to have definitive proof of something like this...