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[ applause ] >> john: we're back with audience comments and questions for michael shermer from the sceptic society and brian kaplan david, author of the book, how risky is it really? and jonathan bean. who is first. >> if you ask most people that you interviewed on the street, probably they would agree that government for the most part is inept and corrupt. those same people i would think would want more government intervention to have an equal playing field, for people in this country in general. why do you think those two issues, ineptness and corruptness don't coincide with the desire for l...

What scares you more? who is scared of flying? who is scared of driving? one person. [ laughter ] >> i ask people outside about that. people say, they know driving is risky but it's flying that scares them. >> i pick flying i can control my car but i don't have control of the plane. >> flying even though i know the odds of being in a plane crash is much less than a car crash. >> he knows his odds are better in the plane but he still worries more about that. david a former director of communications for risk analysis and he has been studying attitudes about them. risk perception is subjective. ...

my next guest say they know why our brains are wired that way. lita is a evolutionary psychologist at university of california. and sean is mind of the market. let me start with you. you talk about the mind. you say the state and government comes from evolution? >> i think the natural propensity we have if somebody has more sufficient stuff than somebody else there must be something done wrong, something unfair. we've evolved in the hunter gatherers with a few dozen to a few hundred people in very resource poor environments. any kind of redistribution had to be done fairly equally o...

my next guest say they know why our brains are wired that way. lita is a evolutionary psychologist at university of california. and sean is mind of the market. let me start with you. you talk about the mind. you say the state and government comes from evolution? >> i think the natural propensity we have if somebody has more sufficient stuff than somebody else there must be something done wrong, something unfair. we've evolved in the hunter gatherers with a few dozen to a few hundred people in very resource poor environments. any kind of redistribution had to be done fairly equally o...