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Get noticed in such a big, broad field without being -- you know, shrill sensational or a celebrity and i'm none of those things and never going to be any of those things. i'm not sure there is a place for me in that mix. >> he's still not shrill sensational or a celebrity. >> notwithstanding being on your program now. >> he will become a celebrity at 4:00. >> immediately. >> exactly. i wrote a long profile of him in "the new yorker" end of last year when it looked he would run. the reason could be summed up in fro words. barack obama. he is personally close to obama. he is a political profile...

>> reporter: talking about two friends now rivals, joe biden and elizabeth warren. >> is joe biden's nostalgic campaign not, working in your view? >> look, i'm a big, big fan of joe biden but i think that the instinct that his campaign seems to have to say, you know, to project in effect if we just, if we just get rid, if you will, of the incumbent we can go back to doing what we used to do and tis is the moment. >> reporter: he praised warren, too, but said he plans aren't unifying. >> i think if we want solutions that last, they can't be solutions that feel to the voting public as if they ...

Well, that's what happens. >> yeah. >> and you came out here, and you looked out at this vast expanse of field on the boston common from this band shell and -- which was filled with people, and you made this comment as part of your speech. i will not engage in the politics of fear. >> and that's because fear is poisonous. all through history, it's been used to hold back progress. and limit fundamental fairness. only hope defeats fear. it always has. >> you know, there's this theory now that in order to defeat the president that one has to be as angry and as pugilistic as he is. and there's a c...

Were at our very best. >> announcer: ahead on "the axe files." >> and you came out here and you looked out at this vast expanse of field, which was filled with people, and you made this comment. >> i will not engage in the politics of fear. i will not do that. but mania, such as unusualrder can rchanges in your mood,

Is, and frankly where i think everybody's focus is. >> but the day after that election, the focus is going to turn to 2020 and -- >> ask me the day after. >> you're not going to start thinking about it the day after the election. >> you'd be surprised. >> you're thinking about it already. friends of yours, not you, have started a leadership pac, the reason to believe pac, and it's clearly designed to help encourage you to run. you're moving around and you're campaigning and i understand that's because this election is important, but it's also something that one would do if one was going to run...