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Get noticed in such a big, broad field without being -- you know, shrill sensational or a celebrity and i'm none of those things and never going to be any of those things. i'm not sure there is a place for me in that mix. >> he's still not shrill sensational or a celebrity. >> notwithstanding being on your program now. >> he will become a celebrity at 4:00. >> immediately. >> exactly. i wrote a long profile of him in "the new yorker" end of last year when it looked he would run. the reason could be summed up in fro words. barack obama. he is personally close to obama. he is a political profile...

Makes it fairly public, the drift left. this notion that, you know, if you listen to the policies of elizabeth warren, they are an economic train wreck. he knows that. he has $52 billion reasons probably to throw up against this problem. i think you're seeing that. they're losing confidence that biden can win and they're seeing a drift left. look at all the numbers for all the candidates, clearly energy in the democratic primary is left of center by far. >> i just called his wife denise. it's diane. wanted to correct that. >> glad you kreshcorrected that >> everyone stick around. take a break....