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You know, he is not a monster, well, mr. defense attorney, you've been fooled. you've been fooled just like family members, just like some of his associates in the past. he has two faces. it's a mask of sanity and he has the ability to blend in and compartmentalize and live really two lives like demonstrated the btk strangler and other notorious offenders can do that. it's hard sometimes for the american public to see that, to see that at all. >> take a short break. when we come back, we will talk more about ariel castro and also the interview i conducted with his former daughter-in-law which ...

Come up with even so-called multiple personality. that's what's going to be interesting here. but the evidence really is looking good and when i hear the defense attorneys saying that, you know, he is not a monster, well, mr. defense attorney, you've been fooled. you've been fooled just like family members, just like some of his associates in the past. he has two faces. it's a mask of sanity and he has the ability to blend in and compartmentalize and live really two lives like demonstrated the btk strangler and other notorious offenders can do that. it's hard sometimes for the american public ...

You sit across from them, and you look into their eyes. when you look in their eyes, they look normal. then you try to kind of go back, what that person looked like when he was looking into the eyes of the victim and how his personality was totally different. so they can -- and what's amazing is that they can live these two different lives. they can compartmentalize. they can be the husband and father of children in some cases, like the btk strangler, who i interviewed in wichita, kansas, and worked the case. meanwhile, he has a job in the community, wears a badge. another job he had was with ...

>> john, i'm kind of curious. not sure exactly how to phrase this. the term would be like a successful serial killer. but somebody who actually gets away with it for a long time. somebody like that have to be of high intelligence to be able to pull it off? >> not really. because sometimes with a high intelligence, they think they're much smarter than law enforcement. i interviewed the btk strangler, bind, torture, kill, a couple years ago. i worked that case back in the '80s all the way until he resurfaced again. he was kind of smart. smart in a way but then he was pretty darn lucky. he stoppe...

One day as he was doing this, his wife came home and caught him. and she said what's going on here? well, i have a problem. you're darn right you have a problem. just knock it off. so she contacted the friends of hers who worked at a v.a. center. she never really put two and two together that she was married to the btk strangler. so, he didn't have a high i.q. at all. he was just lucky. he worked for adt security and he was able to cut phone lines. he had a badge. he was able to gain access to people. it was just more luck than being smart. >> well, and with these serial killers, is there like...